SAMPLE PLAY AND PLOYPHONY OF PADS

[PHeMoX]

Of course people do.
This tells me alot about your use of the MV.
If you do your drums in the MV you will end upo duplicating drum parts on different parts just so you can get decent routing of your drums based on how the mixer and effects work.
That already eats up way too many of your available 16 just for drums before you even get into other parts.

That's plain nuts. I never ever use duplicate instruments. Ever! Perhaps that's why I've got more than enough with those 16 parts / instruments.

In fact, I've got access to 32 as I'm using the Sonic Cell which can control up to 16 channels of instruments anyways. But really, even then I use about 10-12 at max. The rest will usually end up being bounced to an audio track as I want to add MFX to them. I think to some extent you've got the MV's work-flow backwards here.

It's a bit of a shame that you're turning this into a MV vs. MPC thread by the way. You don't seem to like the MV, fine, but don't go about talking bs man. The MV OS on the MV8000 (and as a result the MV8800's too) has changed a whole lot since version 1.0, I don't see why that is any different from Akai and it's version 2.0 release... This really has nada to do with technology, as even your MPC5k really isn't more technically advanced! Truth be told, both use slow and outdated RAM, a relatively weak processor core and so on. But to some extent it really doesn't need to be faster.

I think many people overestimate how "fast" software is or the newer range of samplers, when you will inevitably still go through a couple of situations in which things just take time.

Looking back will only make you see that in fell short initially and still falls short today.
Of course we appreciate the improvements but the unit is still not what it should be or where it should be.

I'm sorry, but this sounds a whole lot like bashing for the sake of bashing, without knowing what the MV's initial OS even looked like. It had a bunch of features less for sure, but it wasn't broken unlike the MPC5k's OS at launch!!

Either way man, if you're looking for the perfect machine, the MPC5k isn't it either, so I don't quite get your argument here anyway.

[Mic Gee$]

We made 3 tracks last night with my bro's MV8000...and noticed something very weird...the beat 1 glitch that I have with my mv8800 is NOT happening on the mv8000 at all. SOOOOOO I went in and got my MV and we put them side by side...copied the project over...GLITCH YOU MUTHAFUGGAS!!! I knew it...

It doesnt seem to be an issue with the MV8000, but it is very real in the MV8800...hmmmm

anyways...
we had fun with the machines...even though the projects load and save retardedly slowwwww mo
thats my biggest gripe about the MV-----------> slowwwwww
~Gee$

[A'Shad]

Thanks PHeMoX you answered my question without answering it.
You seem to lack experience with lots of different pieces which tends to cloud your ability to see faults in what you use.
Nothing wrong with that but it can be a problem when discussing gear.
The MV is ok but just has a lot of dumb aspects that shouldn"t be there regardless of what has been changed/added.

We can joke Mic Gee$ all we like but at least his perspective is based on having used different pieces and seeing what they do or how they do it.

You can't do that in the showroom at a store, it comes from owning and learning a piece.

So defend whatever you like but I have my MV setting with other pieces such as MPC's and Fantoms so I clearly see what it does or doesn't do.

It became a MV vs MPC war when I corrected you on some misinformation and you started trying to talk around it.

Not sure why you feel the SonicCell changes how you deal with samples in the MV that just seems unrelated to the problems I referred to in the MV's structure.
I guess you either don't sample or don't route your samples.

At any rate just keep on enjoying your workarounds that make your MV productive.
As for me, if I didn't have other options I would have dumped the MV a long time ago.
At least the way it is now I use the MV when I want to work the way the MV works, but I refuse to let it force me to work that way.

[PHeMoX]

Thanks PHeMoX you answered my question without answering it.
You seem to lack experience with lots of different pieces which tends to cloud your ability to see faults in what you use.
Nothing wrong with that but it can be a problem when discussing gear.

You're not going to believe me, but I initially wanted an MPC2500 or MPC5000 instead. Until I tried both. When it comes to overall experience, I really have used a lot of samplers. Even though I do admit I haven't been using samplers for more than 3 years or so now. If you consider that alone an argument to consider me inexperienced, go ahead, but I did really use a lot of these machines.

MPC1000, MPC500, MPC2500, MPC5000 I have messed with all of them in a very serious way, I've borrowed many of them for weeks from friends (or in case of the MPC5000 a music store actually). I initially did not even know of Roland's MV when I first started to look into higher-end samplers.

I come from using the Akai MPD24 and software, after that I've personally owned and used the SP-555, SP-606, MPC1000, MC-808 and now the MV8800 and SP-404. Contrary to what you might think here, the MV8800 is NOT my first sampler. In fact, I don't think many true beginners will start out with an MPC5000 either, nor does owning one say anything.

It's also not fair to judge my arguments on what you believe is my level of experience, when I'm really talking about quite specific facts. Remember how you're the one who stretched my comments into some kind of stupid statement about what's the superior solution. There is no perfect sampler, not an MPC, not an MV and not a Maschine either. But hey talk about gear differences in a 'us vs. them' fashion all you want, it's NOT the tools that matter, it's how you get around using them to their fullest potential and expressing your own talent through them.

It became a MV vs MPC war when I corrected you on some misinformation and you started trying to talk around it.

I've said nothing wrong. I said exactly what it is, 'the closest thing to an equivalent of'. I didn't state they were the exact same, so that's you reading into my words right there man. I'm not back paddling.

But I didn't make that comment to start about MV vs. MPC, that's what I meant with my last reply. I really couldn't care less if you think the MV is worse or better. Whether I agree with you is something entirely different, but I can totally see why some like the MPC (well-know overhyped brand, 'mythical' swing, overpriced, features really are more limited than any fanboy would admit) instead of the MV ( great lineair sequencer and pattern sequencer ( dope like the old MPC4000!!), solid and actually useful MFX, excellent sampling capabilities, really great non-destructive quantize for each track ).

I'll admit that should be considered relatively sarcastic, but there's truth in there for sure! Fact is though, one isn't better than the other, they are just different! I can totally see how people hate the MV for not having more sophisticated midi related functionality to give an example, but at the same time I am very satisfied with what you DO get.

It's also why I strongly disagree with your lame comment on how you think it's 'not there yet' and that Roland 'should' update the OS some more.

As for me, if I didn't have other options I would have dumped the MV a long time ago.
At least the way it is now I use the MV when I want to work the way the MV works, but I refuse to let it force me to work that way.

You're not even trying to think outside of the boxes, that's for sure.

Not sure why you feel the SonicCell changes how you deal with samples in the MV that just seems unrelated to the problems I referred to in the MV's structure.
I guess you either don't sample or don't route your samples.

Again, you're not nearly thinking outside of the boxes enough. It was an example of how the 16 parts 'limitation' isn't actually a limitation at all. Don't forget the MV has two midi outs, so you might as well use them!! That's not a work-around, that's setting up a useful work-flow and taking advantage of what the MV does have.

[TYEDURA]

I dont get how a simple question on samples play turns into a war of sequencers. WHO THE F**K CARES!!!!!!!?!?!??
You dudes with years n years of experience with production have used a number of different Hardware systems and are very knowledgeable about your equipment. Thats why us newcomers look to yall for help. But you guys take any small question n turn it into who's sampler has the biggest d*ck!!! Yall did the same thing when i asked for help when it came to using the DAW Reaper. All I wanted to kno is how to hook it up with my MV and it ended up being a debate on why Protools is the industry standard and Logic is better than Cubase...and blah blah blah!!!
Unlike some of yall...I dont have the means to buy all these programs and buy all these different Machines just cuz i want to try a new piece of equipment. Reaper is $60...and from what I hear, It has all the jewels protools Logic and Cubase have n then some. I can only use what I got so Im not interested in what other hardware systems or DAWS have to offer.

Primo n Pete Rock got crazy with low memory MPC's boxes of floppy disks and Zip drives. It aint what u got...It's what you got in you and how you use what you got to make that Crack Music!

So please do me and the rest of us beginners a favor and STFU with all dat "My Machine Is Better Than Yours" bs and just answer the question if you can help. Otherwise make ya own thread and post ya gripes about each others equipment elsewhere!!

[LogicalReasons45]

Cosign ^

Reminds me of gearslutz or futureproducers

[Sinosure]

"Primo n Pete Rock got crazy with low memory MPC's boxes of floppy disks and Zip drives. It aint what u got...It's what you got in you and how you use what you got to make that Crack Music!"

I must agree with you Tyedura on that one bruh! It's not what you have, it's what you have & how you use it! The peeps like Damu the Fudgemunk on Youtube! All those floppies? Its definitely using what you have to its FULL POTENTIAL!! Keep it cool fellas, lol!

[BoricuaMv]

I agree with Tyedura 100 % we are here to learn not to bash gear. If the gear you have works for you thats great, And if the gear you have dont work for others thats great to. The thing is we are all indiviuals and as indiviuals we have all got different taste in life. Different workflows different everything. Now imageing if we all were identical in every way, Shape and Form, Dam this would be one F**king boring world. So ppl please stop that my sh*t better then your sh*t war. LIKE Tyedura Said It's what you got in you and how you use what you got to make that Crack Music!

[mistamixx]

I dont get how a simple question on samples play turns into a war of sequencers. WHO THE F**K CARES!!!!!!!?!?!??
You dudes with years n years of experience with production have used a number of different Hardware systems and are very knowledgeable about your equipment. Thats why us newcomers look to yall for help. But you guys take any small question n turn it into who's sampler has the biggest d*ck!!! Yall did the same thing when i asked for help when it came to using the DAW Reaper. All I wanted to kno is how to hook it up with my MV and it ended up being a debate on why Protools is the industry standard and Logic is better than Cubase...and blah blah blah!!!
Unlike some of yall...I dont have the means to buy all these programs and buy all these different Machines just cuz i want to try a new piece of equipment. Reaper is $60...and from what I hear, It has all the jewels protools Logic and Cubase have n then some. I can only use what I got so Im not interested in what other hardware systems or DAWS have to offer.

Primo n Pete Rock got crazy with low memory MPC's boxes of floppy disks and Zip drives. It aint what u got...It's what you got in you and how you use what you got to make that Crack Music!

So please do me and the rest of us beginners a favor and STFU with all dat "My Machine Is Better Than Yours" bs and just answer the question if you can help. Otherwise make ya own thread and post ya gripes about each others equipment elsewhere!!

YES! You hit the nail on the head really hard!

[PHeMoX]

So ppl please stop that my sh*t better then your sh*t war.

Yeah, but what's really pathetic is how this started this time around. As I wasn't even stating one was better than the other, nor was it ever relevant.

Anyways, enough of that... and I apologize for my share, but I like to think I am at least allowed to defend my opinion here.

[BoricuaMv]

PheMox, Of coarse you have all the rights in the world to defend your opinions. And i read what you wrote and never once misunderstood what you were saying.